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Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:50 pm
by dima
Last year anarchist found a plane crash he couldn't identify. I was looking for a short and not hot hike today, so I looked through the aerial imagery, made a plan, and started walking at some ungodly late hour. I started at the hairpin turn in the Angeles Crest Highway below Cloudburst Summit. In retrospect, starting at Cloudburst Summit itself would have been fine.

I spent most of the day on the North side of the ridge with Winston Peak; surprisingly this is not "Winston Ridge", which is the next one to the North. MY ridge is steep, but has fairly friendly terrain. There're lots of pine trees, and not a lot of brush. And the ground is the right amount of soft to make for easy travel. I dropped down from the hairpin towards the potential crash site. In the process I found an old, abandoned grow site. Like the previous ones I've found, this one is in a grove of live oaks: it's impossible to see from the air. Unlike the others, this one sits on a steep slope, and some terracing work was done to compensate.

Below this I easily found the crash site. There's a lot of stuff here. Lots of big Aluminum body chunks. The entire tail section is here, and at least one wing.

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Vertical stabilizer:

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Horizontal stabilizer (the assembly is bent so it's parallel to the vertical one):

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Wing and stuff:

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There're also some pieces of the engine:

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"FIRING O" was found a long way from "RDER". I felt very pleased with myself

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I guess there were 6 cylinders. Two remain. Still attached to the crankshaft

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Lots more photos live on my server, as usual. I spent a bit of time looking for stuff and taking pictures, and frustratingly very few items had any markings at all. The only chunk that provided semi-specific information was this:

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We see a vacuum tube socket, so this was recent-enough for electronics, but too old for transistors. So I dug deeper. Everything was out in the sun for many years, and any markings would have faded with time. But anything written on a down-facing surface would have been protected. If a tail number was still readable somewhere, it would be on a tail stabilizer or a wing probably. The tail stabilizers were exposed, and blank. The wing, however did have a hidden surface. It took a bit of work to lift it up (it's already raised in the photo above). Jackpot!

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Somewhat crushed and torn, but readable. 049A. This is clearly incomplete. The adjacent surface was facing up. Looks like this:

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Looking closely, there's clearly a very faded N, and another very faded AND broken digit, maybe a 0. So N0049A, with high confidence on the N and the 49A, and less confidence on the 0s. That should be plenty for an ID.

Now to get out of here. I wanted a longer walk, so I decided to drop down to Squaw Canyon below, and to return via Winston Peak. The exact details weren't clear, but a reasonable default would be to walk East past where Squaw Canyon begins, and then loop around to Winston on the ridge. The crash site is only ~ 300ft above Squaw Canyon, so I was on the bottom in no time. There were some more parts below (much of the second wing is sticking out of the dirt in the drainage East and below the main site). Squaw Canyon is dry. There're lots of animal trails everywhere, and for a while one of these was followable at the bottom of Squaw Canyon. Then eventually it gets more brushy, and bushwhacky. All the while, my ridge is immediately to the right. It's right there, and obviously steep, but brush-free. I bushwhacked un-enthusiastically for a while. Then at 5980ft I saw what looked like an old road coming in from the right, and decided to follow that to see where it goes. This thing clearly hasn't been maintained in a very long time, but it's in great shape, except for a few washouts

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This thing switchbacks for a while towards Winston Peak until it dies out at ~ 6300ft. Past that I went more or less straight up until the ridge top. Took a little detour up to Winston. No register box. Looks like there's a good trail up to this peak from Cloudburst Summit on one end and from the PCT on the other. I want neither, so I just followed the ridge top back to my car at the hairpin. This is a really nice area. I ended up gaining 2300ft for the day over 4 hours or so. Didn't pay attention to the time, but I'm sure I spent at LEAST an hour at the crash site. Maybe two.

When I got home, I tried to ID this wreck, which was very easy given the tail number.

A Cessna 170A tail number N9049A left Palmdale on 1950/9/17 just after midnight, en route to Long Beach. It never arrived. Search parties spent 8 days looking for the wreckage without success. There were 4 people on board. LA times articles:

1950/9/19

1950/9/20

1950/9/22

1950/9/26

Presumably there's a much later article somewhere about how the crash was finally found, and the families of the victims got closure, but I haven't been able to find such an article. No obvious human remains at the site, for what that's worth. Pat Macha does list this incident in his books (albeit with the wrong date), but states that he never found the site.

And while this site was unknown to me and to anarchist and to Pat Macha, there's an empty plastic Snapple bottle sitting next to the tail assembly, so at least SOME human knows about this thing.

This person graduated

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turned 60 (oh no!)

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is stoked about the USA (hooray!)

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and may or may not believe in unicorns

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Re: Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:06 am
by Sean
dima wrote:And while this site was unknown to me and to anarchist and to Pat Macha, there's an empty plastic Snapple bottle sitting next to the tail assembly, so at least SOME human knows about this thing.
Could it have rolled down the slope from above?

Snapple Fact: Human bones can decompose within a few decades.

Cool story!

Re: Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:47 am
by Girl Hiker
Thanks for the report. Very interesting! btw I love the balloon references

Re: Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:40 pm
by headsizeburrito
"FIRING O" was found a long way from "RDER". I felt very pleased with myself
I'm releasing celebratory balloons in your direction as we speak, I expect you'll find them digging around for your next plane crash. ?ImageImage

Any worthwhile pics of the grow site?

Re: Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:06 pm
by dima
Sean wrote:
dima wrote:And while this site was unknown to me and to anarchist and to Pat Macha, there's an empty plastic Snapple bottle sitting next to the tail assembly, so at least SOME human knows about this thing.
Could it have rolled down the slope from above?
I suppose it's possible, but that would be really coincidental. It could be the farmers since their area was pretty close. Some hikers probably stumbled on this thing over the years too, like anarchist did. Mysteries!

Sean wrote: Snapple Fact: Human bones can decompose within a few decades.

Is that true? I'm still going to assume that at some point in the last 69 years some authority figures showed up to take away the remains. That has to be the case... right?

headsizeburrito wrote:
"FIRING O" was found a long way from "RDER". I felt very pleased with myself
I'm releasing celebratory balloons in your direction as we speak, I expect you'll find them digging around for your next plane crash.

Any worthwhile pics of the grow site?
Huzzah! I didn't take any photos. Documenting the grows feels like a bad idea somehow. This one isn't very exciting: irrigation hoses, some black plastic sheet, camp trash (a toothbrush, etc). The terracing is interesting: it's a large number of small terraces: kinda like steps in on a maintained steep trail.

Re: Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:39 pm
by headsizeburrito
I'm just kind of curious because while I've found the camps and hoses, I've never seen the actual terracing/growing locations. I assume it all looked pretty old?

Also I now have "human bone decomposition" in my search history...

Re: Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:15 pm
by dima
Yeah, I don't usually follow the hoses, so this is only the second site I've found. The other one was on a flat rise above a creek. Same grid of hoses and live oak canopy, though.

Re: Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:42 am
by Sean
According to a few different sites I googled, bones can decompose within decades. Conditions matter of course. Bones can last a long time if they're not exposed and in a dry climate. But exposure and humidity speed up the process significantly. I assume back then they were wearing natural fibers, which would have deteriorated rather quickly as well.

If prior visitors did not report the wreck site to the right people, then it might not have been properly investigated. You had to bend the metal to identify the plane. That, plus the missing article, and Macha not knowing about it, indicates to me a real possibility that the authorities might not know about it. I don't see evidence upon which to assume otherwise, except that you didn't find any human remains, which might be explained another way, i.e., decomp and/or animals scattering bones, etc.

Re: Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:23 am
by tekewin
Another great find and story. Appreciated!

Re: Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:52 am
by dima
Found the missing article! This was evading my earlier searching for various reasons. The site was found less than a year after the crash. THAT sounds plausible

Re: Winston Peak/Squaw Canyon wreck

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:26 am
by Sean
dima wrote: Found the missing article! This was evading my earlier searching for various reasons. The site was found less than a year after the crash. THAT sounds plausible
Glad you figured it out!