The entire Angeles National Forest is closed until January 15th due to the current fire crisis.
Entire ANF temporarily closed
Yeah, its Judy Chu crazy.
She has no problem with closing a NP for everyone for her feelings...sarcasm.
Altadena residents know the answer is not to close but are going to adapt.
But yeah, the govt signalling that any rain/snow/wind they cant handle is going to set the mood.
Wait till insurers get a drift.
She has no problem with closing a NP for everyone for her feelings...sarcasm.
Altadena residents know the answer is not to close but are going to adapt.
But yeah, the govt signalling that any rain/snow/wind they cant handle is going to set the mood.
Wait till insurers get a drift.
Yeah..after the large earthquake. Or is that not happening now?
Well see if the lizard people and Daddy Longlegs shows up in the chaos...because authorities will be enforcing the zone against residents/victims.
well have the 'Sucks to be you' exhibit complete with ALOT of Doritos and the palettes of donated 10 cent instant ramen.
Well see if the lizard people and Daddy Longlegs shows up in the chaos...because authorities will be enforcing the zone against residents/victims.
well have the 'Sucks to be you' exhibit complete with ALOT of Doritos and the palettes of donated 10 cent instant ramen.
You know, when things are lousy I go to the mountains to feel better. The ANF is the best self care resource I have. I know I'm not the only person in LA who feels that way. And I know I'm not the only person in LA who could use some self care right now.
Does anyone think, emotions and our own self interests as super-users aside, that this is a warranted act? I personally don't understand the logic now that the Eaton Fire is basically contained.
Does anyone think, emotions and our own self interests as super-users aside, that this is a warranted act? I personally don't understand the logic now that the Eaton Fire is basically contained.
Contained doesn't mean out or zero risk. There will be a lot of cleanup before the masses should be tramping around out there, and I'm sure many will ignore closure orders too. Meanwhile there are other places to visit, this is a great time of year to explore the desert. I've never been in the Los Padres so I may drag myself out there soon. The other options aren't comfortably familiar like the Games and might require an overnight or a very long day to explore.
"Argue for your limitations and sure enough they're yours".
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The Eaton Fire burn zone and area around it, sure there should be a closure order, just like the FS does for any wildfire, like the Bridge, Bobcat, etc. But the ENTIRE ANF? I don't understand that.JeffH wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:05 pm Contained doesn't mean out or zero risk. There will be a lot of cleanup before the masses should be tramping around out there, and I'm sure many will ignore closure orders too.
It's because of the "critical" fire danger, which triggers the most extreme restrictions.Nate U wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:01 am The Eaton Fire burn zone and area around it, sure there should be a closure order, just like the FS does for any wildfire, like the Bridge, Bobcat, etc. But the ENTIRE ANF? I don't understand that.
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Take me with you. I know a lot of great hikes. We can check out the Razorbacks. I've been there so many times. Lots of colorful rocks. It's a secret hike. You won't find it on AllTrails
No, I don't think it's warranted. It's government overreach. On top of that, it's overreach mandated by people who don't know a damn thing about nature.
Sell the peons a 'reasonable' package, and then extend it over and over again. Tighten the noose. The 'managerial class' of govt gets more power, refuses to give it up, and needs more resources, and thus keeps growing. Meanwhile the populace becomes increasingly dependent upon the system the managers control, exchanging freedoms for a cheap sense of security.
Extend it another week. Why not? It's reasonable. All these people think so *points to fat boomers in facebook comments who have never used a rope*. Oh, it hasn't rained yet. Extend it some more.
Then, rain! Oh man, new risk, new reward. Extend the closure for 'unsafe terrain conditions'.
Snow? Close Baldy! Unsafe. Safety is number one. I don't know how to self-arrest or climb snow so nobody else does. It's unsafe. Plus, you can push the well-worn shame-package of 'putting SAR/EMS at risk'. You wouldn't want to put them at risk, would you? That's selfish!
It really doesn't take much to stand atop a peak above the city and see that humans have ruined all the land there, and then look north at the San Gabes and see what real life is, what is supposed to be. The filth and 'progress' of the city, that is to say taking nature and paving it flat so humans can move around at 80mph without exercising so they can live and work in an air conditioned box and eat processed food and speak of how evil hunting is, the absolute unhealthy unnatural detachment from reality, the outsourcing of getting their hands bloody providing them with a sense of superiority. These closures and the mindset of those who push them is the tie on the suit of the modern human who has no concept of their place in the universe. Los Angeles is a festering sore on the surface of a beautiful planet, weeping puss into the ocean from concrete gutters cut into the land, themselves ugly monuments to man's foolish desire to control nature, creating a habitat for tweekers and rancid trash to flood the ocean. The San Gabes are, at this point in history, unable to be leveled flat for use as a parking lot or 'affordable housing' starting in the low $800,000's. Human technological progress is outpacing evolution and replacing a natural life with one of safety for the purposes of extended servitude. And those who push their agendas will likely never get what they deserve, the painful and very real understanding of their mortality in a vast world they can't sue. The best they could hope for is to fertilize a patch of grass. Unfortunately they remain ensconced in their secure buildings with private security unavailable to the common man, when they should suffer painfully, bathing in the new understanding of their absolute insignificance in a world so massive that it wouldn't care about them even if it could.
I would not be surprised if eventually the San Gabes becomes a National Park or something along those lines, where freedom of movement becomes severely restricted. No riding bikes off pavement, no placing climbing anchors, no chopping through dense foliage to explore canyons. Charge a fee to enter and market it to the masses. Manufacture consent to turn the free and open land of Earth into a commodity. All they really have to do is clean up the damn trash along East Fork, but to get there they need more funding, and to get more funding the smoothest way is to designate it as something, and it goes on from there. No trash but no freedom. This is my fear for my mountains. Human 'progress' will stop at nothing. I only hope we as a race of beings meet some sort of roadblock that slows this down, but aside from a massive meteorite impact or combination of many other things in a short time I don't think that will happen. Man should not be allowed to make the world in his image like some sort of childish ignorant god staring at tiktok videos on his hand-computer, but unfortunately I do believe that will be the case.
If you're part of the gov't structure deciding to pass these sorts of things, I hope you have to cross a great wilderness alone and unprepared. I hope you are forced to swim in the reality of your fragile mortality, to understand that you could die without anyone knowing and be consumed by a tree which itself could be smashed to bits by a large rock falling from a landslide. All your ideas and desires to control other sentient beings turned to nothing, impulses released into the atmosphere and gone. It's not just this closure, it's all the closures, all the rules, the diseased mindset of controlling others for which you should become diseased from and perish along with your ideas. Your time has burned brighter since 2020 but perhaps once you've become fat off your conquests, nature will consume you in a violent and unfeeling way, a landslide obliterating a colony of ants, heard by no-one despite its great power. May your lifestyle of being protected and shuttled around in vehicles with security consume you and drive you mad. May your bones be taken from the land and dumped in a landfill where your soul belongs.
Sell the peons a 'reasonable' package, and then extend it over and over again. Tighten the noose. The 'managerial class' of govt gets more power, refuses to give it up, and needs more resources, and thus keeps growing. Meanwhile the populace becomes increasingly dependent upon the system the managers control, exchanging freedoms for a cheap sense of security.
Extend it another week. Why not? It's reasonable. All these people think so *points to fat boomers in facebook comments who have never used a rope*. Oh, it hasn't rained yet. Extend it some more.
Then, rain! Oh man, new risk, new reward. Extend the closure for 'unsafe terrain conditions'.
Snow? Close Baldy! Unsafe. Safety is number one. I don't know how to self-arrest or climb snow so nobody else does. It's unsafe. Plus, you can push the well-worn shame-package of 'putting SAR/EMS at risk'. You wouldn't want to put them at risk, would you? That's selfish!
It really doesn't take much to stand atop a peak above the city and see that humans have ruined all the land there, and then look north at the San Gabes and see what real life is, what is supposed to be. The filth and 'progress' of the city, that is to say taking nature and paving it flat so humans can move around at 80mph without exercising so they can live and work in an air conditioned box and eat processed food and speak of how evil hunting is, the absolute unhealthy unnatural detachment from reality, the outsourcing of getting their hands bloody providing them with a sense of superiority. These closures and the mindset of those who push them is the tie on the suit of the modern human who has no concept of their place in the universe. Los Angeles is a festering sore on the surface of a beautiful planet, weeping puss into the ocean from concrete gutters cut into the land, themselves ugly monuments to man's foolish desire to control nature, creating a habitat for tweekers and rancid trash to flood the ocean. The San Gabes are, at this point in history, unable to be leveled flat for use as a parking lot or 'affordable housing' starting in the low $800,000's. Human technological progress is outpacing evolution and replacing a natural life with one of safety for the purposes of extended servitude. And those who push their agendas will likely never get what they deserve, the painful and very real understanding of their mortality in a vast world they can't sue. The best they could hope for is to fertilize a patch of grass. Unfortunately they remain ensconced in their secure buildings with private security unavailable to the common man, when they should suffer painfully, bathing in the new understanding of their absolute insignificance in a world so massive that it wouldn't care about them even if it could.
I would not be surprised if eventually the San Gabes becomes a National Park or something along those lines, where freedom of movement becomes severely restricted. No riding bikes off pavement, no placing climbing anchors, no chopping through dense foliage to explore canyons. Charge a fee to enter and market it to the masses. Manufacture consent to turn the free and open land of Earth into a commodity. All they really have to do is clean up the damn trash along East Fork, but to get there they need more funding, and to get more funding the smoothest way is to designate it as something, and it goes on from there. No trash but no freedom. This is my fear for my mountains. Human 'progress' will stop at nothing. I only hope we as a race of beings meet some sort of roadblock that slows this down, but aside from a massive meteorite impact or combination of many other things in a short time I don't think that will happen. Man should not be allowed to make the world in his image like some sort of childish ignorant god staring at tiktok videos on his hand-computer, but unfortunately I do believe that will be the case.
If you're part of the gov't structure deciding to pass these sorts of things, I hope you have to cross a great wilderness alone and unprepared. I hope you are forced to swim in the reality of your fragile mortality, to understand that you could die without anyone knowing and be consumed by a tree which itself could be smashed to bits by a large rock falling from a landslide. All your ideas and desires to control other sentient beings turned to nothing, impulses released into the atmosphere and gone. It's not just this closure, it's all the closures, all the rules, the diseased mindset of controlling others for which you should become diseased from and perish along with your ideas. Your time has burned brighter since 2020 but perhaps once you've become fat off your conquests, nature will consume you in a violent and unfeeling way, a landslide obliterating a colony of ants, heard by no-one despite its great power. May your lifestyle of being protected and shuttled around in vehicles with security consume you and drive you mad. May your bones be taken from the land and dumped in a landfill where your soul belongs.
