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Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:39 am
by Sean
Yesterday Cecelia and I hiked to Mt. Williamson for her birthday and for the sunset. Since it was her special day, I thought, "What the hell? Let's drive the long detour through Tujunga to reach Islip Saddle!" First we stopped at the overlook for Big Tujunga Dam.

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Then we checked out the view of Williamson Rock.

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We caught several rock climbers walking back to their cars, returning from an illegal adventure.

After that we drove to Islip Saddle and prepared for a cold, evening hike.

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The trailhead burned in the Bobcat Fire.

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The South Fork Trailhead looked messy, but the PCT appeared in better condition heading up to Williamson. Still, we kicked many rocks and branches off the tread as we climbed. A few poodle dog bushes remained beside the trail, but it was easy to avoid them. Also I counted three small trees across the trail, one minor wash out, a stretch of moderate rutting, and a few scree sections where the tread is narrow on steep slopes. Overall not that bad for a burn zone.

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A few trees survived here and there, more so near the summit.

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We reached the top about an hour before sunset. While Cecelia chilled and took photos, I hurried over to Peak 8244, stole the Sierra Club register and brought it back to Williamson. Maybe you know that the Sierra Club places a register on 8244' instead of the official, 8214' summit. Don't ask me why GNIS and USGS Topo have Williamson at 8214 instead of 8244, but they do. Actually they measure it at 8216' now, and if they ever produce a new map worth a damn, I'll stop using measurements from the '95 series.

What I'm trying to say is, if you're looking for the register, it now lives on 8214, which is technically now 8216. But you better go grab it soon, because, according to the Sierra Club, registers don't live very long on 8214. I guess that's why they put it on 8244, because it gets stolen from the official summit?

The problem is that 8244 is a quarter-mile away from 8214, and some people don't enjoy hiking that much extra distance to find the register. Also, 8244 currently has a patch of poodle dog on its smallish peak, so it's a less preferable hangout than 8214 in my opinion.

In addition to being confusing, Williamson is one of those spots with amazing views all around. That's probably why they call it the Pleasant View Ridge. "Pleasant" is an understatement, if you ask me.

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Even the desert view at dusk is delightful.

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It helps to have neat clouds in the sky as well.

The summit area is nice and flat for relaxing or even camping. We drank hot apple cider and posed for photos while waiting for the sunset.

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Then we bundled up and headed down by headlamp. My car read 45 degrees an hour after sunset, but it was colder on the summit.

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:32 am
by Girl Hiker
Thanks, it was one of the best sunsets on a peak! The hot apple cider was a bonus.

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:26 pm
by JeffH
I don’t remember Williamson being flat and open on the summit. Now I’ll have to go up there and look again. Thanks to your extra work I get to save the extra walking to sign in.

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:09 pm
by HikeUp
Pretty flat and open! lol
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Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:09 pm
by HikeUp
Happy Birthday Cecelia!

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:25 pm
by dima
Thanks for the report. Looking at it from Little Jimmy, it looked like it burned pretty bad. Glad to see it's still somewhat delightful

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:08 pm
by Nate U
Good way to spend a birthday! Most excellent to have the road open again, detour or not.

What about point 8248?

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Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:22 pm
by HikeUp
8248 is just that...a question mark.

Bob Burd described these pts on the map thusly...

"It took just about an hour to reach the summit of Williamson. There are three summits to the mountain, all within 40' of each other, the highest lying at the northwest end. I found no register on any of them."

The Sierra Club acknowledges Mt. Williamson is where it is on the maps (i.e. 8214), but they want the register to stay on 8244 so it doesn't get disappeared as often as it does when it is kept on 8214'...

"The summit is the one given on the topo as 8244'. Another summit 1/4 mile to the southeast is about 30' lower (8214'). The register has been moved back and forth repeatedly. Please keep it on the 8244' summit. While the summit of 8214' is what shows as Mt Williamson on the USGS map, register cans at this location do not last long while those on the higher, but slightly more distant bump last."

I like Bob Burd's description the best "3 summits to the mountain". 3 summits, 1 mountain. The Sierra club doesn't want the register stolen from the named summit so they hide it on the nearby other summit (8244), but didn't want to make people walk all the way over to 8248. Lazy gits.

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:05 pm
by Sean
Nate U wrote: What about point 8248?
I didn't even notice that. The USGS quadrangles are split at Williamson, so that you have to look at a separate map to see 8248, and I didn't even look around while on 8244. I just grabbed the can and left. But, yeah, I have no clue what's going on at Williamson. Maybe we should do a forum hike up there and permanently rename everything. William (8248), The Wifey (8244), and Williamson (8214). A genuine Trinity of sorts.

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:11 pm
by Sean
Also, my Garmin BaseCamp map doesn't even show 8248. Odd.

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:36 pm
by Nate U
When in doubt, GIS it out.

With 10-foot contour intervals, the GIS map actually puts a 8250 ring around both 8244 and 8248, but the ring around 8248 is larger.
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FYI contour lines check out for 8216, and indicate the flat top.
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Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:37 pm
by dima
The top of Williamson isn't peaky, and those bumps aren't noteworthy. There are some cool airplanes there

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:19 pm
by tekewin
Great report! The shot of the desert at dusk is cool.

There was a pretty good use trail on that ridge to the north with the plane crash debris. Really nice area of the Gabes.

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:37 am
by Sean
Seriously, what am I supposed to do with these 2021 maps that have no spot elevations?

USGS Crystal Lake 2021
USGS Crystal Lake 2021


USGS Valyermo 2021
USGS Valyermo 2021

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:51 am
by Sean
Nate U wrote: When in doubt, GIS it out.
Is there a free GIS website?

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:01 am
by Nate U
Sean wrote: Is there a free GIS website?
Its the most detailed topo maps of the area I've ever seen! I wish I could get them on my phone's GPS tracker. Props to Dima for originally finding this.
https://rpgis.isd.lacounty.gov/Html5Vie ... NET_Public

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:04 am
by Nate U
Sean wrote: Seriously, what am I supposed to do with these 2021 maps that have no spot elevations?

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The latest USGS maps don't have spot elevations anymore? How are we supposed to communicate bump names ?

Re: Sunset on Williamson

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:36 am
by Sean
Nate U wrote: How are we supposed to communicate bump names ?
I suppose they'll all be imprecisely referenced by contour lines, and if necessary narrowed down by directional info. The 8240+ immediately NW of Mt. Williamson. Or, the 8240+ immediately NW of the 8240+ immediately NW of Mt. Williamson. Or, the 8240+ immediately W of the 8240+ immediately NW of the 8240+ immediately NW of Mt. Williamson.

Labelling these bumps on the map will be a pain, but at least we'll understand each other.