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Smith and 5490

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:07 pm
by JeffH
After reading all of Taco's reports this week I'm almost embarrassed to say I drove to this trailhead...
It's been a couple of years since I visited Smith Mountain, and on my previous trek I thought I could head up the peak just not of the saddle and then walk down the firebreak and rejoin the trail. So last weekend I left the house relatively early, I was the first car to park at the Bear Creek trailhead. Not much to talk about as this is a well-known track, there was a little bit of water running at the last of the canyon crossings. The north side of Smith had a bit of snow, it was a little soft. I didn't think it was enough to be dangerous but enough to be careful. Sometime in the recent past folks have tied pink ribbons on the way up to guide the way. I went past a few of them and went alternate routes around others. A nice break at the summit was followed by four people arriving to join me so I promptly went down. From the saddle I went up the firebreak, which is pretty steep. It seems to get softer and more gravel-like on the ascent which of course made the walk harder. I took a longer break at the top of Peak 5490, views were fantastic out toward Catalina and over the Station Fire burned areas. Walking down from there, I took a while to actually find the firebreak going down the east side, it's much clearer in the satellite photo than in person. It's also very soft and chewed up, I was expecting a nice smooth road so once I started down I wasn't about to go back up. I'm curious about the process to make these breaks, this one is full of bumps and depressions mixed with chewed-up brush. The dead brush is so dry I think the fire hazard is higher now than when this work was done. Anyway, it was a long slow journey downhill, I fell twice from my feet getting caught up on some branches. As I neared the trail, I had to go straight down the side of the mountain for about 50 vertical feet. I somehow took the same path that another human had followed recently, as I saw the same footprints and trekking pole scars that I was leaving. Once back on the trail it was just about a mile further in the warm sunshine back to my vehicle. I also learned the McDonalds on Azusa below the 210 is definitely the cleanest one around.
AllTrails claims about 7.5 miles and 3100 feet of gain/loss.

Starting out on the trail, Smith in view.
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Smith from the saddle - light snow coverage.
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Smith summit.
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Eyeing the firebreak route up 5490.
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View of Baldy from most of the way up the firebreak.
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Summit of 5490, so much for my dream of a first ascent.
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Looking for the firebreak, it was downhill further than I thought.
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The route down.
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In the midst of the crummy terrain I found a couple of pine trees that looked to be intentionally planted.
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The firebreak ran out near this ridge, I had to get to the far side to rejoin the trail. Pushing through a lot of bushes here.
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Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:12 pm
by dima
Cool stuff! I've looked at those firebreaks many times, wondering. Glad somebody did it!

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:34 pm
by HikeUp
Nice hike! Cool pics. Thanks.

I've had the luck of watching (through binoculars) the bulldozers making firebreaks on unbelievably steep ridges (in the Verdugo's). They defy gravity while destroying everything in their path, then backing up over it and destroying it again. Looked to me that they were just basically trying to till the vegetation into the soil.

This was a couple of months after the Station fire on high point 4320+ near Henninger. The fire never got here but this was part of a break they made between Muir Pk. and Hastings Peak (it ran down to near Idlehour, then up to 4320+ then over to Hastings. All I could think of was how destructive the dozers were to till the soil of all the rocks and brush into this trail of derbis.

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Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:44 am
by Sean
Thanks for the report. That's a cool route I'll have to keep in mind. Never been up to 5490. Is that the one you can also reach from the top of CA-39?

You timed that jump perfectly.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:35 pm
by Girl Hiker
Whoooohooo!!!
Love that jump

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:47 pm
by JeffH
Sean wrote: Thanks for the report. That's a cool route I'll have to keep in mind. Never been up to 5490. Is that the one you can also reach from the top of CA-39?

You timed that jump perfectly.
Yes, the dirt road goes from what looks like the part of 39 after the turnoff to Crystal Lake. That would certainly be an easier route but where's the adventure? Hmm, maybe a loop with two cars would be good. Mix with an overnight on 5490 summit.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:56 am
by Taco
Heheheheheheheheeehhhh

I thought it was 5495! Harrumph. I ran down from the summit to the saddle with Smith once and got a big Yucca needle into my ankle.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:30 am
by JeffH
My phone also got it at 5490.

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Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:39 am
by HikeUp
Taco is 5ft tall?

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:46 am
by Taco
I wear a sensor atop my head. I just looked at Acme Mapper with 'USA Topo' setting and it says 5495 on it.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:17 am
by HikeUp
Actually there is a higher pt just yards to the north of the 5495 location that is 5520+. And just yards to the south is slightly higher too.
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Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:53 pm
by Sean
Peakbagger has it wrong too. I blame the internet.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:58 pm
by Taco
I live in a world of absolute chaos where numbers mean very little.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:54 am
by Sean
JeffH wrote: My phone also got it at 5490.

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Unfortunately those coordinates don't put you on the topographic summit.

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Assuming you were standing on the actual highpoint, either the surveyors got it wrong or the highpoint has been bulldozed or ... I don't know. Would you say there was a 0.17-mile stretch of flatness at the top?

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:22 am
by HikeUp
We need a sub-committee to look into this egregious misbehaving topo map.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:43 am
by David R
I would like a committee of surveyors to go up there and do some precise measuring. Once they come back we can have an intelligent conversation to find disagreement with.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:24 pm
by JeffH
Sean wrote: Assuming you were standing on the actual highpoint, either the surveyors got it wrong or the highpoint has been bulldozed or ... I don't know. Would you say there was a 0.17-mile stretch of flatness at the top?
The south firebreak meets up with the summit area at a low spot "T" intersection. I felt like the SW branch was the higher of the two - I had to walk over the other one on my way out - so I hung out there for a while. It had a much larger flat area than the other. It's the one in the photo above with the measuring/recording device. It also had the better view...

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:55 am
by Sean
I downloaded William Chen's 2018 track at Peakbagger. It contains elevation data and puts the highpoint at 5518'.

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I now blame the mapmakers--for adding a spot reading south of the highpoint.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:08 am
by Sean
David R wrote: I would like a committee of surveyors to go up there and do some precise measuring. Once they come back we can have an intelligent conversation to find disagreement with.
I sent Peakbagger William Chen up there in 2018, anticipating this problem. He found that the summit is 5518', and so the surveyors incorrectly added a 5520' contour line. We are rounding up the original surveyors, who are in their 90s now, and they will be humanely dealt with.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:29 am
by ReFreshing
Nice report. I've gotta get myself up to Smith one of these days...

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:28 pm
by tekewin
Big air on that jump. Did you jump from the boulder or is your vertical NBA caliber?

Nice report. Smith was one of my early conquests. It seemed bigger back then. Still a fun hike with great views. Bonus for bonus peak!

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:12 pm
by HikeUp
Here's a couple of pictures of the offending Peak 5495+/-, from Smith (circa 2010)...
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Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:26 pm
by Sean
With 80' of prominence is it really a peak though?

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:28 pm
by JeffH
Sean wrote: With 80' of prominence is it really a peak though?
Well one of those spots on top is a peak.

Re: Smith and 5490

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 7:53 pm
by Taco
Hmm that rock on the left side lookin' kinda tasty rn