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20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:45 pm
by Taco
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:58 pm
by Sam Page
What do you mean by "not in climbing condition for a while"?
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:12 pm
by Taco
All that new snow hides any good hard snow or alpine ice. Instead of climbing, you'd be swimming uphill.
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:21 pm
by KathyW
The amount of snow is just amazing - thanks for sharing your adventure with us.
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:48 pm
by Taco
It kept on falling. We have waaaaay more snow than it looks like, even in the pics. Fritz can contribute numbers, if he remembers the depths (I don't).
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:01 pm
by GigaMike
Cool stuff, Taco. So what was your original goal? After looking at Sam's climb a few weeks ago and now your pictures, I think I need to get out there soon.
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:38 pm
by He219
The goal is a bit of a secret and to my knowledge still unclimbed ..
Notes of caution:
1) Sleep above your C02
2) Vent the space with fresh air
3) Don't over excavate a huge cavern and entomb yourself through structural collapse.
Learned some important lessons in snow-cave construction:
1) Give yourself enough head-height to be able to sit-up and change clothes without smashing your noggen into the ceiling. (
Illustration A)
2) Locate the vertical ventilation shaft away from your face.
3) Build a barrier to prevent fresh powder during snowstorm from falling into vent-shaft and piling onto unsuspecting sleeper below.
TacoDelRio wrote:It kept on falling. We have waaaaay more snow than it looks like, even in the pics. Fritz can contribute numbers, if he remembers the depths (I don't).
The probe measured a 7 foot snowpack where we camped.
We also heard distinctive the sound of a slide on our way back.
Lots of snow up there, it'll be around for a while.
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:09 pm
by EnFuego
Nice pics. A couple pics show some nice routes (when in condition).
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:37 pm
by hvydrt
Very Cool! Was it warm in your cave? Its been cold and windy the past few nights. Were you post holing a lot on the way up Mill Creek?
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:04 pm
by Taco
GigaMike wrote:Cool stuff, Taco. So what was your original goal? After looking at Sam's climb a few weeks ago and now your pictures, I think I need to get out there soon.
What Fritz said.
Cheers, y'all.
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:33 am
by RyanB
That cave is sick!
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:59 am
by Elwood
That's a great report and pictures. I'm jealous.
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:16 am
by He219
Thanks, guys!
hvydrt wrote:Very Cool! Was it warm in your cave? Its been cold and windy the past few nights. Were you post holing a lot on the way up Mill Creek?
While tunneling we got cold crawling on hands and knees.
After we changed clothes and settled in our sleeping bags we found it quite comfortable, even warm due to our body-heat in a well-insulated environment.
I never felt warmer while sleeping on ice. A tent would have buffeted in the howling winds but it was calm and quiet inside our shelter.
Condensation would normally trickle down from tent walls as water or ice crystals inside.
I've been 'snowed' on several times inside of my tent from condensation after bumping the tent walls.
In the snow cave condensation served to harden the shell of the interior and strengthen our shelter.
Post-holed a couple of times both up and down.
There is an established and compacted boot path hidden under all the new snow - if you can manage to stay on it.
You don't need crampons or snowshoes but can also sink waist deep at times.
The true danger are the soft spots along the edge of the drainage with caverns below from the rushing water of Mill Creek.
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:30 am
by TracieB
snow tunnels...v. impressive and...way over my skill level!!
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:29 pm
by tinaballina
Taco, you better see a dr. soon, the ice will be coming..there is still a lot you must teach me especially if david is out of commission.
Re: 20100308-09 Mill Creek
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:49 pm
by spotfin
Great trip, nice pics and the snow cave is very impressive.