EISPIRATEN

EnFuego wrote:You went out a couple weeks ago and just now posting? WTF!

yoskolo wrote:Here's a question for you...
Did you wear the jacket with a layer underneath, keeping it separate from your skin? The oil in your skin will defeat the waterproof membrane in fabrics like Event, Hyvent, Precip, etc.
I've worn my North Face lightweight shell in a pinch over a t-shirt and had poor luck. Water just sort of soaks through at the arms and neck. But put it over a long-sleeved-shirt and you're good forever. It's a little weird actually.

Rick Kent wrote:

AlanK wrote:I've had good luck with mine, but it's several years old.

Like Alan, I've had good luck with mine too but it also is an older model. I haven't used it in that much rain though.

Personally the PreCip is a good jacket if you are looking for a jacket you can take on day trips or just carry in your car or backpack in case it starts to rain. However, if you are looking for a jacket to wear in any sustained precipitation then save your money because this jacket saturates easily.

I choose the Precip because of all of its great reviews, best of status, and Backpackers Editors choice award. I have owned it for a little of a year now and it has mostly lived up to all its hype, at least in its casual and recreational use. (i.e. around town and the thunderstorm) However, last week on a small 2 hr day hike in the Quinault Rain Forest it became quickly clammy and began soak through on the arms and chest. Needless to say, I was little disappointed. Bottom line the Precip is good for light and/or small rain showers not, heavy or prolonged periods of rain. Mine is going in my truck to wear around town.

i'm displeased w/ this rain jacket. i bought it as a lightweight rain jacket and needed one w/ pitzips. soooo many hikers swear by this jacket but i don't know why. after a few months the sleeves have become absolutely useless. they get soaked through in 5 minutes of even light rain. the waist is also starting to wet out at a very fast rate. i wouldn't count on this jacket when staying dry really matters. i have to give credit to marmot though. i called and explained my situation and they said to send the jacket in. i'm planning on doing that soon so we'll see what they do about it...

the first day in a downpour i was soaked within 20 minutes. this jacket may be o.k. in light rainfall, but it is too light for a serious storm here in montana.

I have a precip that came with the now discontinued Thunder Ridge. This jacket can't keep you dry from the parking lot to the grocery store. It guzzles Nik Wax to no effect.

Seemed nice enough: pit zips, new collar design, cuffs and windproof is great. First rain (Portland, OK?) the hood leaked at the brim and back. I got it for Christmas. Here we are in April. The DWR is now shot, and the fabric now soaks in the rain.

I bought this because I knew I would need rain gear. It had gotten numerous positive reviews so I was fairly sure that it would work well. I turned out to be wrong. This jacket works okay in very light rain, but then again so does a windbreaker or a t-shirt. I took a ten minute walk in moderate rain, under trees most of the time and by the time I got to my destination the jacket was soaked through at the shoulders and the arms. In its favor it does breathe very well but I would rather have it shed water worth a crap.

I bought this jacket in December and it served me nicely through the winter. But in the spring I discovered that it is not waterproof at all. After first small rain I got all wet.

I too was lured to this jacket by the tiny pack size, low weight, and very reasonable price. Seemed too good to be true. Well, it is. This jacket will protect you from minor storms at best (when new). I have one that is 3 months old, basically sitting in my pack until the snows came, very little to no wear. Well, this week the snow came in hard during a night hike. Wet, heavy stuff that falls fast and melts on you just as fast. "No Problem", I figure as I zip on my PreCip. Within 15 minutes of heavy, wet snow (about an inch on our pack covers), the shoulders and hood were totally wet out, and leaking badly. Skip this for anything but casual, summer use. You can't afford to be in the winter backcountry with an inferior, leaking shell such as this!

AW wrote:Personally, I would be upset if a $100 jacket failed like that. I understand its all advertising and people really want to buy the image/brand, but certainly would feel no sorrow if this company or any other of these 'brands only' were to fold. Its gotten to the point where almost everyone plays up the brand and one has to rumage through the garbage of business ads to find clothes or anything that are actually made for the outdoors.

friendowl wrote:my precip has never let me down yet......it is true about wearing a layer under....i stay dry on the inside all the time.....i feel like it is a great jacket

when i first bought my precip i wore it in the shower to see if it was waterproof.....it was..i was impressed...i wonder what went wrong with yours

Examples of Waterproof Breathability Ratings for Major Manufacturers

Brand           Fabric              Waterproofness   Breathability 
                                    (mm/24 hours)    (g/m2/24 hours) 
Columbia        Omni-Tech® (Adults)   10,000           10,000 
Columbia        Omni-Tech® (Kids)      6,000            6,000 
eVent           eVent                 30,000           22,000 
Gore-Tex®       PacLite®              28,000           15,000 
Gore-Tex®       Pro-Shell 2-Layer     28,000           25,000 
Gore-Tex®       Pro-Shell 3-Layer     28,000           25,000 
Lowe Alpine     Triplepoint® 3-Layer  20,000           20,000 
Marmot          MemBrain®             20,000           25,000 
Marmot          PreCip®               15,000           12,000 
Marmot          PreCip Plus®          25,000           15,000 
Mtn Hardwear    Conduit               20,000           20,000 
Sierra Designs  Hurricane              8,000            2,000 
Sierra Designs  Microlight               600              N/A