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TacoDelRio wrote:Wanker Flats (not giving up on that!)

Give it time.

Thanks HJ. Your description agrees/confirms with how I have envisioned it. I was most uncertain with the upper part of the section from Switzer down to JPL. Problem with starting at Chantry is that you can't get in until "sunrise", so I'll have to wait until sunrise is a bit earlier than i...

I'm interested in day hiking the Gabrielino Trail from Chantry Flat to JPL. The Wikipedia entry reports the mileage at 28.5 miles and the elevation gain at 3500'. A brief look at the map seems to indicate more along the lines of 4500' including the ups and downs. Does anyone have first hand experien...

I think your proposed route includes too much "trail" and bypasses a few bushes.

Kudos, though, on choosing to do it with rain/snow in the forecast!

Seriously, looks like you've found one of the more difficult/fun ways to bag Josephine. I'd guess you'll have some snow on Strawberry.

I hadn't noticed the elevation gain/loss figure in the profile. It does seem to be exaggerated by ~1000'. The 5200' in the profile comes from the TOPO! program based on a track obtained from GPS data. I will have to look at home at what my GPS claims, but I think I'll blame TOPO! for the fudging th...

Nice hike, thanks for the pics. 4 1/2 hours is quick. Took me a bit over 6 last summer. I noticed the elevation gain on the gps profile says a gain of 5200' - seems a bit much (I estimated about 4100' including the bumps). Are gps' as accurate with elevation gain as they are with distance traveled?

2008-02-16: Shortcut recon mission I took some pictures of the shortcut from Sunset Peak and from the Coldwater Canyon Truck Trail (road that starts at Cow Canyon Saddle and heads down into cow canyon, etc.). On the walk down the road I met a jogger (John) who asked where I was going. I described th...

TacoDelRio wrote:I can't think.

Don't think. Just do.

While surfing the net I found this picture, taken near Sturtevant Camp on Feb. 10th, 2008. I wonder when this sign was put up.

3 day weekend coming up, so 1 day I'm planning on walking down the road from cow canyon saddle to the top of the shortcut. God willing I'll post some pictures. Shortcut looks like an 800' drop in about 1/2 mile on google erf. Might go further if I'm so inclined...maybe I should bring the ODWAG some ...

Amazing trip. How low was the snow on your descent route?

Made a run at Monrovia Peak, but was turned back by icy snow conditions on the east ridge about 400' short of the peak. Hiked up via the Upper Clamshell /Rincon-Red Box roads for a nice 20 mile round trip walk in beautiful conditions. Great views. Looking up the shaded, steep east ridge (having just...

While up on Monrovia Peak's east ridge I took some photos of Twin Peaks' east ridge. A sequence of 5 pics, starting at the top and panning down the ridge. Thought they would be of interest. PM if you want original photos emailed. https://eispiraten.com/images-archived/farm3.static.flickr.com/2393/22...

Just for fun... Three examples of outing descriptions for the exact same hike up Strawberry Peak... Sierra Club... M: Strawberry Peak (6164'): Moderate 6 miles round trip, 2600' gain via Colby Canyon. Experience and comfort on class 3 rock required. Meet 9 AM Colby Canyon parking area (11 miles from...

Noticed a new topic over on SummitPost that might eventually yield some information on Widman Ranch, etc.

Nice TR. Interesting "route finder" descent! Congrats. I've seen TR's from way back (60's or 70's I think) describing a route from Chantry Flat to Clamshell. I'm going back at this peak this Saturday, but I plan on doing the Sierra Club Route #3 (20+ mile round trip death march up/down Upp...

That yellow line sure does look like it is going through a cliff band. Like AW said, you won't know for sure until you get to that point on the road.

Zooming in on Rick K's photo, it certainly looks cliffy.

Cool work, Travis.

Do you think the "shortcut" is doable in reverse if BHR is not reached (for whatever reason) and if ODWAG (old dood w/ a gun) forces you back up the same way you came down into Cattle Canyon?

One safety feature of the Sierra Club structure is that leaders cannot lead hikes at a level beyond what they are certified for. Leaders at the lowest rating level can only lead hikes on trails or well used ridge routes. One level above, leaders who can take groups cross-country must have passed a ...

simonov wrote:I doubt further education of the members would help (actually, I'm not even sure there is really even a problem here).

Agreed, I'm not convinced there is a problem either.

Thanks Augie. I've never seen any hard data on which to base a conclusion that ODC outings have more mishaps than Sierra Club outings. Me neither. Let me reiterate that my comments are based on my impressions that are solely based on anecdotal stories. I'm not trying to disparage ODC, just trying to...

Thanks simonov. Great points made with great clarity. The waivers of both clubs spell out how hikers are essentially responsible for their own safety, but that doesn't really matter except maybe in court: it's the perception that many hikers will have, that they are in experienced, thoughtful hands,...

Thanks Kathy. I think it's the way the website is set up for the Outdoors Club that makes people think they are going on a hiking trip with a Sierra Club type leader. I think this is true despite the numerous statements they have on the site saying that you are the only one responsible for your safe...

I want to open up an honest and civilized discussion about the differences in the way the ODC outings are run vs. the way the Sierra Club outings are run (as well as any other hiking "clubs" you care to include). Based on a couple of years of pure anecdotal information from the internet fo...

Bumping this to add a link to a post on another thread by AW regarding a possible route down into Cattle Canyon from the road coming down from Cow Canyon Saddle. Certainly would cut off a fair bit of distance on the way to Big Horn Ridge.

https://eispiraten.com/s ... ight=#1717

If they went from Sturdevant Camp to Newcomb Saddle and then up the Rim trail to Mt. Wilson, there are defintiely serious drop offs. Based on the mileage stated in the hike description (8 miles up), they went straight up from Sturtevant Camp to Wilson on the Sturtevant trail. It's amazing/scary how...

Based on the ODC description of the hike, it started at Chantry Flat, went to Sturtevant Camp then up to Mt. Wilson. The return route was to be on the Winter Creek trail back to Chantry. I assume the accident happened on the ascent route based on the "turning around" discussion the group h...

Story in the Pasadena Star News... MOUNT WILSON - After being hampered by bad weather and a weekend rock slide that blocked Mount Wilson Road, authorities Monday used a helicopter to recover the body of a 32-year-old hiker who slipped and fell about 1,000 feet down a mountainside Saturday. Nicole F...

Stories on ABC channel 7: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=5934562 http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=5933476 Link in the comments to the 2nd story: http://groups.google.com/group/la-count ... ent-alerts CBS channel 2: http://cbs2.com/local/Woman.Body.Recover.2.645658.html ...

Just watched the video...answered all the questions. Was there avy danger? How did you determine so?

Not busting your ... , just trying to learn.